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welcome back everybody today's going to

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be an interesting day we are chatting

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with somebody who is not only an

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abduction experiencer but also claims to

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have received information and some

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scientific data of a person who isn't a

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scientist and uh Jason I think you've

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heard of other stories similar to this

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too right people getting downloads of

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yeah absolutely uh there was a I'm not

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gonna take too long here but there's a

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gentleman by the name of uh David Hamill

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here in Canada that had a similar

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experience at the age of 67 actually and

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uh he was building a uh basically a UFO

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in his garage by the time and he was in

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his 80s with an anti-gravitational

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intention like he was putting all this

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money and effort into building this

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thing with uh after having an experience

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so this is not uncommon yeah yeah and uh

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it's just another one of our angles that

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we're approaching it's been a long busy

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week I know I had a long week oh it's

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been long it's been uh it's been a long

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week they were doing four recordings we

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mentioned a few months ago that we were

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booked into the summer and we actually

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are in fact uh yeah we may have to take

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a month off Jay and just I just

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recuperate go on vacation but before we

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do we need to learn how to build how to

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build a flying sauce absolutely today's

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guest actually authored a book called

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How to build a flanks officer very cool

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not as out there as you might think very

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intelligent man uh we'll be right back

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with Mr Michael Allen's right after our

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my best buddy Jason

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gilmette how you doing I'm doing good

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it's been uh it's been a long week like

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I explained in the intro it uh it but

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I'm happy to be here this weekend we got

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for the listeners actually Louie and I

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are recording four interviews this

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weekend so we're we're busy boys

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um a lot of uh a lot of good stuff is

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coming on the podcast Ray the good guess

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and today is no exception to the rule

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and uh Louis I'll let you introduce Our

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Guest yeah so um you mentioned earlier

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before we started recording here that I

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tend to be more the science-minded guy

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into the quantum level of things and

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you're more wanting to know about the

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abduction phenomenon and interaction and

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today's guest kind of lives in both of

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those Realms as a result of one came

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another so very exciting to chat with

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our guest today Michael Allens uh the

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author of two books uh we'll explain a

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little bit about those books and it's a

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unique position not a lot of people uh

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can say that they've received this type

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of information

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um so we're looking forward to a good

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show it's going to be a fun day so

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welcome to the show our new friend

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Michael Owens hi uh it's great to be

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here thank you for having me yeah thanks

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for being here so um a lot of people may

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not know about you unless they've read

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your books uh so let's get to know a

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little bit about yourself kind of what

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happened and uh how did that lead into

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your uh now authoring and the things

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right uh it goes all the way back to the

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by aliens uh from a bedroom uh fairly

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regularly all the way up to about age

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experiences uh with lots of different

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absolutely terrifying

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experiences of my life and some of them

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were Just Amazing Just brilliant

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uh quite a broad range of characters uh

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non-human characters which is quite

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strange to say and uh

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from all those experiences

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throughout my life I've been trying to

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dip into my experiences I've I've been

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regressed uh three times and I've spent

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quite a lot of time using meditation to

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try and just dig deeper into the subject

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about those that work I feel like I've

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unusual information which uh I've tried

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to share uh the the strange thing about

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me is I really hate talking about this

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subject uh because it's

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at the end of the day I want to live a

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normal life uh and I've got two kids and

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it's um it's kind of impossible if

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people know this truth about you right

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uh so it's yeah it's a bit strange for

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me to actually you know get this

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information out there because I really

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feel a strong desire to do so to

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actually get the information I feel that

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I've uncovered out into the public

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um and that's why I wrote my toe box and

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that's where I'm here today so let's

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start with your first book I believe

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that was alien Revelations yeah so kind

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of you know not to give the book Away we

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obviously think it's a good read

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everybody should take some time out of

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their data to delve into it but tell us

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a little bit about what it's based on

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and what kind of information you were

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getting okay uh well it's the book opens

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time I didn't really have a uh handle on

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it at all I didn't know what was

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that keeps bringing me back you know

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every time I start thinking I might be

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delusional or just lose my mind or just

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try and shelve the whole subject there's

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one memory I have that just keeps

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dragging me back and it's uh when I was

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imaginary friend because back then

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friend so I was just talking to this

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voice in my head and it was I can't

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remember how it all started you know the

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conversation but I remembering it asking

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me would I like to see a space man

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character like a muppet kind of

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character from like you better be cute

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type thing yeah exactly exactly that

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look out and the window and I was like

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hovering just on the other side of the

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glass outside my second story bedroom

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window was a gray with its arms spread

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wide just sort of looking down at me

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instantly terrified because to me those

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like you I don't like a frown almost if

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monster you know what I mean instantly

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remember waking up the next morning

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and uh knowing I'd seen something no one

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had seen a real creature but not really

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knowing what it was and because I was so

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young at the time I thought maybe it's

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some kind of owl or just some kind of

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animal I hadn't yet come across because

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just some part because you're still

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learning about like things like lemurs

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there's more to see and learn so I

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mother's Wildlife books looking for this

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weird creature that I'd seen out my

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grounded me to the fact that this really

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definitely happened because remember all

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those events afterwards like researching

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this thing and not knowing what the hell

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it was and then not actually realizing

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what it could have been until 1995 when

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subject of alien abduction right and

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events that just keeps bringing me back

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it's that definitely happened that was

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definitely outside my bedroom window and

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if that was true I've got a ton of other

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pattern and also seeing the same kinds

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of things in the early hours of the

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morning just waking up and seeing things

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thing is there's a lot more complexity

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behind this than you can possibly

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explain right there's tons more uh and I

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an early age so toddler years to being

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kids they usually have a more positive

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experiences with these entities they're

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so almost considered friends of sorts

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teenage years where there's more sexual

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investigations then it turns into a

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experience because there's something

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intelligent probably more intelligent

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than you that's completely not human and

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it's in your environment it just it's

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instant paralyzing fear even from a

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really young age uh when I was oh I want

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to say 13 is when it started turning

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towards you know the sexual kind of

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interest and surgical procedures and

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things like that

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um which I didn't really

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know fully until I was

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on say 18 when I had my first hypnotic

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the experience in particular that I'm

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thinking about

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um is when I was staying at a friend's

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house uh it was out in the countryside

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at middle of nowhere and

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um I remember in the middle of the night

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um being let because

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we were sleeping top and tail because

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we're like teenage boys obviously having

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to share a bed and uh you know sleeping

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top until fully clothed with our street

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gloves on because obviously you know

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we've all done that in the 80s right

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yeah yeah he couldn't have it get out

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but you know I mean yeah exactly your

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friend yeah shut your mouth you don't

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tell anyone exactly that

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um so yeah

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um

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at the time

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um I remembered waking up uh in the

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early hours of the night

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feeling completely violated completely

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like something Terrible's just happened

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um

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desire to hold on to a memory it was

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like I had this feeling that I was about

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to lose something and I was struggling

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to hold on to this memory and what I

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retained was the image of an upside down

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train carriage in the sky and a glass

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elevator and those are the only two

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things I could get hold on to visually

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in my mind and

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but I remembered being completely just

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emotionally just completely distressed

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um I also remember I I realized I was

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laid not top and tail next to my friend

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and I was just like totally freaked out

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so I jumped out the bed while slid out

329
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the bed as carefully as possible and I

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noticed me trousers were like half up

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and I was completely exposed and I and

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me Buttons were all wrong so I remember

333
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sorting myself out and then getting back

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into bed the right way around not

335
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knowing what the hell had happened

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and then

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uh Flash Forward

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probably seven years uh I sought the

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help of a hypnotic regressionists uh in

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my area the subject of UFOs had just

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exploded in like the early 90s and there

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was a

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it's an organization called bufosk uh

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British research UFO something Cheshire

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I can't remember something like that and

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it was uh headed by a guy called Eric

347
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Morris uh who was a naval nurse who

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picked up hypnotic

349
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I don't know techniques while he was in

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the neighbor and he got us interested in

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the subject and he was just going around

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the area you know he was he put an

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advert out in I think it was UFO

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magazine at the time with a phone number

355
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just saying you know offering the

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service was a hypnotic regressionist so

357
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I called him up he came round and first

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thing I want to know about was this just

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this upside down train carriage in this

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you know uh Glass Elevator so we in the

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regression

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I couldn't believe how visual it was

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because he's once I was under as soon as

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I started

365
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just remembering the events and sequence

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I it was just completely clear I could

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see it all as it was uh So what had

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actually happened is in the middle of

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the night I saw a shaft of light come

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through the curtains uh and then I saw

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Shadows on the other side of the window

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and these creatures came into the room

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it was all kind of blurry because I

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couldn't really focus because at the

375
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time I was completely paralyzed I

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remember being taken through the window

377
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flying up to a cigar-shaped object that

378
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had Windows along the bottom so already

379
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I've got my glass elevator and I've got

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me upside down train Carriage right and

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as we went up

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um I remember being led into a uh

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it's it

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I mean the first room it was like a

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cylindrical room and it had like a

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comical lamp

387
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so it was like I came up for a manhole

388
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kind of thing I was dragged to the side

389
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uh led up this ramp down the corridor

390
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and into a it was like a operating

391
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theater

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um

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may be made on to it I remember them

394
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taking uh something from my rib cage so

395
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in my side and then after that there's

396
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there's a bunch of procedures really

397
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unpleasant uh I remember needle going in

398
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the back of my head that was absolute

399
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agony and I remember seeing a being

400
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there that uh brown skin and it wrinkled

401
00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:11,639
features and I remember it saying to me

402
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because I remember

403
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I can't remember what I said but it was

404
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something long lines of you're not going

405
00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:19,800
to get away with this I'm going to tell

406
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everyone and I remember him saying you

407
00:16:27,769 --> 00:16:25,620
will not remember this so then that just

408
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it it puts something in me where I

409
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bloody well will remember this you are

410
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not going to take this away from it and

411
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I remember after the event when they

412
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brought me back down into my bed

413
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um just trying to hold on to the

414
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memories and realizing that they were

415
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,699
leaving me I was losing

416
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my recall of what happened I couldn't

417
00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:45,839
put it in sequence anymore while I was

418
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laid in my own bed and uh so I just

419
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,240
thought grab onto something so I just

420
00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:53,519
remembered that craft and the fact that

421
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I flew up to it so I just thought the it

422
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is the simplest way I could put it is an

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upside down train carriage and a glass

424
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elevator and that's the only memories I

425
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:04,679
could retain from it yeah but yeah it's

426
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it's just it was crazy that because I

427
00:17:10,669 --> 00:17:08,339
had those two images in my head for all

428
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:10,679
that time and it just in context it just

429
00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:12,959
made complete sense and the feeling of

430
00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:15,900
violation in fact I was so angry I was

431
00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:17,100
fighting them off while they were trying

432
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,540
to address me and that's why when I

433
00:17:23,809 --> 00:17:20,640
ended up in in bed I was just completely

434
00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:23,819
basically half naked but yeah it was

435
00:17:28,610 --> 00:17:25,740
just it's it was crazy to me at the time

436
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that it was just and also just seeing it

437
00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:31,260
in the regression just seeing

438
00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:33,540
you know having it all confirmed just

439
00:17:39,169 --> 00:17:35,820
you know seeing them like face to face

440
00:17:41,330 --> 00:17:39,179
like close to me is like you know a

441
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teenager and it was just it was just

442
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Madness and Michael did you have any

443
00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:45,960
smells or is there any smells that sort

444
00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:48,360
of trigger anything for you

445
00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:50,580
yeah there's a few

446
00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:52,140
um

447
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uh wet style you know freshly dog soil

448
00:18:02,210 --> 00:17:59,100
yeah and also cat litter okay yeah he's

449
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:02,220
a stale the ammonia smell I guess eh

450
00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:04,260
yeah and a bit mixed in with a bit of

451
00:18:09,770 --> 00:18:07,620
beer we uh heard that from James Fox as

452
00:18:11,570 --> 00:18:09,780
well right okay Fox meant to mention

453
00:18:13,370 --> 00:18:11,580
something like that's a Witnesses

454
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:13,380
smelled something very similar to that

455
00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:16,320
ammonia and uh the wet soil is not

456
00:18:20,750 --> 00:18:19,380
uncommon it's uh that are wet pavement

457
00:18:22,970 --> 00:18:20,760
that's been really really hot like

458
00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:22,980
during summer uh triggers something in

459
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,500
people as well yeah yeah yeah a bit like

460
00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:27,360
hot radiators as well there's a tinny

461
00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:28,740
Edge to it that's where I get the wet

462
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,299
soil from because it's like a metallic

463
00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:32,880
tongue I think it's ozone you know that

464
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smell when you get after it rains in the

465
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spring for the first like five minutes

466
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it's a strange and it doesn't last

467
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because ozone's not a stable molecule

468
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but

469
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um or people they they do it to their

470
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car if you have a car that has an odor

471
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you can't get out they use an ionizer or

472
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like an ozone machine and it literally

473
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changes the chemistry of the smell so a

474
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lot of people do have these similarities

475
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of ozone and ammonia oddly enough for

476
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whatever reason but yeah that makes a

477
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lot of sense if it's if you're in an

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electrically charged environment as well

479
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yeah exactly yeah like the smell of like

480
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uh like a neon sign going on it gives

481
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off kind of like a tinny you know you

482
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know exactly what it is right but yeah

483
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but I wanted to ask you you mentioned

484
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earlier in the show that throughout the

485
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course of the years of having all these

486
00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:18,900
experiences you've met a whole wide cast

487
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of characters you know yes maybe

488
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elaborate a little bit on that who were

489
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some of these creatures and kind of what

490
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,440
were their characteristics right well I

491
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mean the main one in particularly is the

492
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brown wrinkle density I mentioned just a

493
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moment ago uh he's really striking in

494
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the parents he's got quite a long neck

495
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quite muscly neck and his head's huge uh

496
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shaped like a heart and it's got a

497
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:46,380
trench running down the middle of it and

498
00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,240
like bone spurs sort of like connecting

499
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:52,740
I remember when I first visually

500
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remembered it as a teenager I just

501
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,919
thought I must have made it up because

502
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:57,600
it looks too much like it you know the

503
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:00,720
Klingons instead with The Ridges it was

504
00:20:04,909 --> 00:20:03,179
a bit like that but like mixed in with

505
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like other science fictiony kind of

506
00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:06,360
characters

507
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um

508
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because they have the the bug eyes it

509
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:13,799
had a flat nose with uh two like slit

510
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,280
nostrils uh and quite prominent bony

511
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:19,320
features

512
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:22,679
um a smaller eyes on the Grays uh but

513
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still quite large with thick eyelids

514
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um I've drawn him loads it's because

515
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:29,940
he's he's visually quite striking and

516
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:31,380
it's actually quite hard to get him

517
00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:33,660
wrong when he's rolling him he's a he's

518
00:20:39,289 --> 00:20:35,580
a repeated figure for you he is

519
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,299
absolutely yeah uh in fact the strange

520
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:41,280
thing is every time I see him for the

521
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first time my childhood I'd be terrified

522
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,260
because he looked almost desiccated like

523
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:49,440
a uh a mummy like dried skin and it was

524
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kind of brown

525
00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:54,179
um but actually throughout the

526
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:56,280
experience by the end of it it feels

527
00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:58,980
like I'm with a friend because unlike

528
00:21:04,250 --> 00:21:01,799
the Grays he he feels like you're

529
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:04,260
talking to a human with him because it's

530
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:08,280
more he's he's not audible but it's

531
00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:10,200
you hear it in your head kind of thing

532
00:21:14,770 --> 00:21:12,360
okay whereas with the Grays it tends to

533
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,780
be a lot more visual so it's almost like

534
00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:17,039
there's a bit of audible quality but

535
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,140
they send your images a lot more like

536
00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:21,120
Flash images and

537
00:21:31,010 --> 00:21:22,020
um

538
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:31,020
there's one occasion where I met him I

539
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:31,980
was in a

540
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:33,960
it was weird kind of classroom

541
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:35,940
environment it was almost because I was

542
00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:38,700
led into a room and it just looked like

543
00:21:43,070 --> 00:21:41,220
a classroom on earth except it was it

544
00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:43,080
stuck in the 1950s because it had the

545
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,200
weird desks with the attached chairs and

546
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:49,440
the lifty lids and the ink Wells which I

547
00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:51,240
had not experienced at this age for me I

548
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:52,980
grew up in the 80s it was all like um

549
00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:55,740
plastic coated wood and you know plastic

550
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,240
chairs

551
00:22:03,710 --> 00:21:59,700
um and I remember when I first saw him I

552
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:03,720
was absolutely terrified and just it

553
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:07,380
just totally threw me back and he put

554
00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,620
the the words in my head literally why

555
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,659
are you scared why were you so afraid

556
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,840
this is a huge opportunity you meet in a

557
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:18,240
you know a literal preacher from another

558
00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:21,659
world uh what the hell's wrong with you

559
00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:23,640
and then he started just sort of

560
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,380
insulting me just calling me like stupid

561
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:28,080
monkey and things like this and um it

562
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:30,360
was just um his insults were getting

563
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:34,260
sillier and sillier and as he insult me

564
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,900
I started getting angry I'm like you

565
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,220
brought me here you know it's not my

566
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,740
fault I don't remember just shouting

567
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:42,480
back at him just just shut up you

568
00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:43,740
brought me here or something like that

569
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,500
and they started laughing at me and then

570
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:48,480
as he was laughing I started laughing

571
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:51,720
and then he the way he he explained it

572
00:22:56,270 --> 00:22:53,340
to me was

573
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,280
um your fear is like an egg and I can't

574
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:59,039
get you out of the fear you have to do

575
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:01,320
it for yourself so literally all I have

576
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:02,940
to do is provide the right environment

577
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:04,980
to actually bring you out of your own

578
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,240
fear so I took you from Fear to anger

579
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:11,760
and from anger to humor and now we can

580
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,360
talk like equals and as he explained it

581
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:17,760
I was like this this is a remarkable

582
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:21,600
creature because it it worked it was the

583
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:23,640
psychology of it just made complete

584
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:26,940
sense to me and I think it was he's kind

585
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,260
of helping you from behind almost

586
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,539
whereas it's because the idea of

587
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:32,940
laughing after I've been that mad

588
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,000
seems a bit wrong but he's

589
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:38,400
he's human was so infectious he just

590
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:40,200
sort of brought me up into it so it's

591
00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:42,120
like the push the guiding you from both

592
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:44,840
ends so it's like there's a physical

593
00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:47,940
reality of it but there's also a deeper

594
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,280
connection going on and he's it's sort

595
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,860
of the way they communicate it's you

596
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,000
sort of

597
00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:56,400
partially in their heads as well if you

598
00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:58,919
know what I mean so you sort of feel

599
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:02,100
it's a weird two-way streak but yeah

600
00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:03,120
it's

601
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:04,580
um so the same

602
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:09,600
uh they there's a female gray which

603
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,159
um

604
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:13,679
which I've I've kind of scared of more

605
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,140
than of him because

606
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:17,940
um she just looked like a normal gray

607
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:21,480
but taller slightly smaller eyes

608
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:23,340
um and she'd wear a hood

609
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:25,740
but she wouldn't say very much

610
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:26,460
um

611
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,460
she did use she any painful procedure

612
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:34,500
she'd get me to look in her eyes and

613
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,039
she'd black me out so she was the one

614
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:39,600
that sort of did that kind of thing but

615
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,159
because she was a bit more mysterious I

616
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,919
kind of you know and creepy looking as

617
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:45,780
well to me

618
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:47,940
um yeah she gave me the heebie jeebies

619
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:50,940
yeah um I've seen mantises I've seen

620
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:53,400
giant reptilians yeah there's quite a

621
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,480
lot um

622
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,220
weird little

623
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,559
snake looking dudes

624
00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:01,200
um yeah quite a lot

625
00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:04,140
have you ever seen any humans

626
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,940
not that I can be Carl

627
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:08,159
um I think I've encountered hybrids but

628
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:10,500
no humans okay was there ever any

629
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:12,780
communication in terms of where they

630
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,280
were coming from any particular star

631
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:16,740
system or any kind of biological

632
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,539
explanations of why they all look so

633
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:20,580
different or anything like that yeah a

634
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:21,480
little bit

635
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:22,320
um

636
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:26,820
from him I got his Homeworld which is a

637
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:30,720
snowy icy Planet uh

638
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,480
it's the cities that live in these

639
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,360
circular cities that I think it's I

640
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:38,520
think they have stable populations so

641
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,919
basically the populations don't rise or

642
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:42,659
fall so they have these

643
00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:45,299
set circular cities and then nothing no

644
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:48,200
like little Countryside

645
00:25:52,669 --> 00:25:50,279
no nothing like that it's literally

646
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:52,679
everything's contained

647
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:55,380
um they they build weird Follies as well

648
00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:57,179
like the Leica there's this one city

649
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,880
it's in a mountain and it's a shaft

650
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,679
and then around the shaft as these

651
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:03,840
buildings and in the middle there's a

652
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:06,179
bridge that goes halfway across and then

653
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:08,460
there's a tower suspended at the end of

654
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:10,200
this halfway Bridge so it looks

655
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:12,900
impossible but it's just the Light plane

656
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,659
with gravity uh so it's the the build

657
00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:17,880
these impossible structures that the

658
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:21,500
look old to us like almost like monastic

659
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:26,159
or medieval but the defy gravity as well

660
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:27,539
there's another one where it's like a

661
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:30,419
wheel and it's got far Bridges extend

662
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:32,100
from the outside and then there's this

663
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,020
weird Temple like structure just

664
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:37,500
suspended in the middle above the city

665
00:26:40,510 --> 00:26:38,100
um

666
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:40,520
yeah and

667
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:43,559
one of the reasons that the look-alike

668
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:46,200
as well is uh I'm pretty sure that

669
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,940
they're all offshoots of the same

670
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:49,440
species a lot of them are not all of

671
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:50,820
them sorry

672
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:54,000
um so basically when the colonize a

673
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:55,020
world

674
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:57,419
rather than Terra farming completely a

675
00:27:00,769 --> 00:26:58,380
planet

676
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,779
the adapter themselves genetically to

677
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,520
adapt to the planet so they end up

678
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,440
looking completely different what is

679
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:06,419
your process right yeah yeah yeah yeah

680
00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:09,480
yeah because it's why try and why wipe

681
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,020
out life that may already be there

682
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,179
uh to I don't know plant your own food

683
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:17,340
and things like that because I mean

684
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:19,320
you know if we landed on an alien world

685
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,760
we probably wouldn't be able to process

686
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,679
the proteins on that world or you know

687
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:24,840
the the back you know the the slightest

688
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,480
bacteria might completely wipers out so

689
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:29,700
rather than wipe out life that mayor to

690
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:32,100
be there you just adapt yourself yeah so

691
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:34,380
you know if the hybridization is a thing

692
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:36,179
between species which I'm really

693
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,400
skeptical about but if it is a thing I'd

694
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,200
imagine it'd be quite a useful tool if

695
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:43,500
yours having to adapt to others why are

696
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:45,059
you skeptical about it I'm curious to

697
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,860
hear your thoughts I just think

698
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,840
genetically and chemically

699
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:50,720
um

700
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:55,860
just the odds of being able to because

701
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:59,340
what an amino acid to us might do

702
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:01,020
something completely different to a

703
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,100
completely different species because

704
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:04,740
chemically we might even be the same

705
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,600
chemicals but the way they're organized

706
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,640
and the way the structured might be

707
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:10,740
completely different I just think the

708
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,080
possibilities the

709
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:16,080
there's just too many different you know

710
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:19,140
iterations of biological life in my mind

711
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,659
I think you know the the old argument

712
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,539
that you know why would they have two

713
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,360
arms and two legs I think that

714
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:29,760
isn't very good argument just because I

715
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,700
think it's a very useful shape to build

716
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,279
cities and technology and things like

717
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:38,720
that I do I think obviously you know

718
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:42,419
thermodynamics produces the same

719
00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:46,140
solutions to entropy over and over and

720
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,539
over and over again so it you know it's

721
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:49,919
um

722
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,779
they're saying you know this

723
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,240
crabs you know in the sea there's so

724
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,919
many different species of crabs that are

725
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:57,840
absolutely not related it's the same

726
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,940
solution just keeps popping up to life

727
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,799
at the bottom of the sea I think it's

728
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:04,440
something like that you know but I think

729
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:06,900
you know the ability to genetically

730
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:10,200
splice to completely alien species just

731
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:12,059
it doesn't make sense to me I just can't

732
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:14,340
see it you know so I might be completely

733
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,960
wrong but that makes sense if you're

734
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,640
trying to breed like an elephant and a

735
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,500
mouse right they're so far apart it's

736
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,600
not gonna work but what about slight

737
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,399
mods or people that have reported that

738
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,440
they've been abducted some genetic

739
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,299
material has been removed and then

740
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:30,000
paired with some other perhaps more

741
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:32,760
closely related material hybridization

742
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,399
right yeah hybridization or it's like a

743
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:37,500
genetic boost somehow it's an upgrade

744
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,380
they're just slightly tweaking it I mean

745
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:42,179
the difference between all the dogs in

746
00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:43,740
the world is less than one percent of

747
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,720
their DNA right so it doesn't take much

748
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,480
to affect massive change so it wouldn't

749
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:51,299
have to be on the Polar ends of it but

750
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,679
um yeah like this just it seems like a

751
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:54,480
common theme in so many abduction cases

752
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:57,260
that there's genetics

753
00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:00,299
because on my last regression

754
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:02,279
um I did I get I've got some information

755
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,440
I don't really like much because I ate

756
00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:07,620
too specific and it was that actual the

757
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,240
Grays themselves

758
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,779
and actually aliens they are augmented

759
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,460
humans that have been augmented to

760
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,559
living space and they're the ones that

761
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:18,240
hybridizing they're not hybridizing

762
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:20,520
they're rejuvenating their own genetics

763
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:24,779
from Old Stock our stock so basically

764
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,980
be

765
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,960
in the regression I was told that we

766
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:30,480
actually had contact with aliens

767
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,260
um our first civilizations did have open

768
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,779
contact it was one way because basically

769
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:38,880
we didn't have the technology to you

770
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:40,980
know go to them yeah but they had a

771
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:44,159
technology to come to us and

772
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,460
um basically uh there was a cataclysmic

773
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,399
event and to preserve the old culture

774
00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:52,500
rather than keep the contact and culture

775
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:54,740
on Earth but took them out into space

776
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,860
and gave them the job of

777
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,360
um basically watching out for life on

778
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:02,399
Earth basically preserving us

779
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:04,380
the whole thing I hate it because it

780
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:07,620
sounds so science fiction but but

781
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,720
the information I got was Earth was

782
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:12,059
discovered millions of years ago by a

783
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:13,380
completely different alien race an

784
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:15,960
ancient alien race that basically did

785
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,779
realized that life on Earth would never

786
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,880
advance to sentience

787
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:22,799
the reason being that we're in a

788
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:28,850
a mono star system we have only one star

789
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:32,220
in our planetary system and the problem

790
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,919
with that is after the accretion disk

791
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,020
you know collapses into planets you've

792
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:40,020
got a lot of junk in your in your solar

793
00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:41,640
system asteroids and comets and things

794
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,419
like that and over time you get

795
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:47,279
asteroidal or comic bombardment on all

796
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:50,360
the planets in the system so that

797
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,539
life while it can get hold

798
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,840
um will you know have these terrible

799
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,640
cataclysms that'll just keep resetting

800
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,500
the clock so you don't have a big enough

801
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,659
window to actually reach sentience on

802
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:05,340
your own and that's happened five times

803
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:08,460
throughout history of major extinctions

804
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:11,220
of global extensions right so the

805
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:13,020
message I got was that sentient knife

806
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,659
tends to develop on binary star systems

807
00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:17,700
because in the binary star system what

808
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,039
happens is that all you

809
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:23,340
uh elliptical lung elliptical objects

810
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:24,779
which had the ones that cause the

811
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,100
problems because as the pass-through

812
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:28,380
asteroid belts and things like that are

813
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,620
through planetary orbits V that's when

814
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:33,539
you get IE problems because these are

815
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:35,700
fast moving objects that basically cross

816
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:39,120
and intersect stable orbits and that's

817
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:40,919
those are the the things that keygaine

818
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,500
lobbed to us within a binary style

819
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,480
system basically anything that's on a

820
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:48,240
long elliptical orbit gets starts

821
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,279
interacting with the other star because

822
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,740
the the there are you know um you've got

823
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:53,840
two

824
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,419
large masses in this system and

825
00:33:03,049 --> 00:32:59,700
basically it either

826
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,059
um it ends up just I don't even think it

827
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,320
does hit the star I think it literally

828
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:07,320
just gets faded out into space uh I

829
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,460
don't know uh so because of the gravity

830
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,419
is that why yeah it basically

831
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,340
destabilizes the orbits of elliptical

832
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,980
orbits because you vote he diverts them

833
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:18,720
rather than going on a big loop over

834
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,000
gives the planets more opportunity to

835
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:23,760
have longer life cycles exactly right

836
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,460
yeah exactly Yeah so basically you've um

837
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:28,320
you climb at some more stable over a

838
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,640
longer period of time and that's how

839
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:31,980
sentience develops so our star system

840
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:34,980
it's it it can never do that oh every

841
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,340
you know million years or so we get an

842
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,919
asteroid or comma impact that resets the

843
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,799
clock so basically

844
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:45,600
these Ancient Aliens if you want to call

845
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:48,960
them that uh uh trademark

846
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:50,039
um

847
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:56,940
the found the species most likely to

848
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:00,059
develop sentience and they accelerated

849
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:03,539
the the them uh genetically to actually

850
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:06,840
develop culture and civilization

851
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:07,799
um

852
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,359
and then I don't know how or why but I

853
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,460
think you know the Graham Hancock

854
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:16,740
younger driest impact Theory and all

855
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:20,040
that nonsense basically which I don't I

856
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:21,240
don't like this kind of stuff because

857
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:22,679
it's too

858
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:24,200
Star Trek

859
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:28,740
but um uh that whatever that was why it

860
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:30,419
happened how it happened I don't know

861
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,580
whether we pissed them off or what

862
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:35,040
happened but basically we did get reset

863
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:37,859
and that was the point where an open

864
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:41,540
contact ended and the message I got was

865
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:46,260
a number of humans were basically taken

866
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:48,839
off world to live Out Among the stairs

867
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:51,960
with the technology and the gifts that

868
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,780
they were getting from the actual aliens

869
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:57,440
and that's who the Grazer and that's why

870
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,540
they want to rejuvenate their genetic

871
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:02,820
stock and that's why the you know doing

872
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,619
all the hybridization things like that

873
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,900
it's not hybridization it's just

874
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,359
resetting it's it's medical intervention

875
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:12,660
if you will yeah we uh spoke with Dr

876
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:15,240
Paul Masters and he's got a theory on

877
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:18,660
extra-term pastoral model which is kind

878
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:20,040
of like what you're talking about which

879
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,260
is you know people from the future or

880
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,200
and you know future descendants that are

881
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:28,200
coming back and and doing this uh the

882
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,540
complexity of not only the abduction

883
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,980
phenomena but I've always been

884
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,599
fascinated by is that you know people

885
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:35,460
say they're in these crafts which you

886
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:36,599
think

887
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:39,180
cost wise not just materials but just

888
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,380
the way that they manipulate the

889
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,420
materials to make these crafts and just

890
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,460
we're blown away by these crafts right

891
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,320
but imagine what else they got going on

892
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,940
right what else they got up their

893
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:49,740
sleeves like it's amazing amazing

894
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,859
technology but these crafts have these

895
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,660
rooms that are designed to have a human

896
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,240
lay down on a table with medical devices

897
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,119
that are made to do whatever it is that

898
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,119
they do to us that is a major Venture

899
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:05,760
like they build a craft with these

900
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:07,800
operating rooms in them

901
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,020
and that that means there's a purpose

902
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:12,780
there and it's a serious purpose and

903
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:14,760
this is a theme that we we hear quite a

904
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:15,480
bit

905
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,920
um you know that that people are brought

906
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:18,780
into these rooms are separate rooms even

907
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,300
uh Betty and Barney Hill went to

908
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,700
separate medical rooms inside the same

909
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:27,119
craft so this you know for me has always

910
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,160
been uh something that I look for the

911
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:31,140
details and what people say because it's

912
00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:34,260
important we find commonalities to and

913
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:35,540
start saying you know

914
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:38,339
and we mentioned this before

915
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,440
is either there's two possibilities

916
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,240
there's no third there's no fourth it's

917
00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:44,280
two possibilities either one it's a new

918
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:46,940
mental illness that millions of people

919
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,619
across the world are experiencing

920
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,119
similar

921
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:54,960
patterns and but not not all the same

922
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,540
they all have their differences or it's

923
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:59,220
actually happening

924
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,020
right yeah so there's just two

925
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:03,660
possibilities to this uh like I said

926
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:05,099
there's there's no other nobody's on

927
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,079
drugs we have people

928
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,119
um from all walks of life

929
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:11,040
that have been like you know even people

930
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:12,599
inside the defense department for crying

931
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:13,980
out loud are experiencing the same thing

932
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:17,160
as you are so it's huge it it doesn't

933
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,040
exclude anybody it's not particular to

934
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,500
any specific person they're all just

935
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,200
randomly selected yeah but then there's

936
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:28,320
a spectrum of Dave as well in uh it's a

937
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:31,980
lot even my own data I I question it and

938
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:34,440
it's coming from me like right you know

939
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,140
that last regression because it it felt

940
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,640
like a seance it wasn't a normal

941
00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:41,220
aggression it was it was like I was

942
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:43,579
having a dialogue with them in the room

943
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:46,020
it was really weird

944
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:49,920
um but because it it wasn't as concrete

945
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:52,440
as my first progression I'm almost ready

946
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:54,599
to dismiss it but the thing is I mean

947
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:57,300
that's me and myself that's my data I'm

948
00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:59,640
skeptical of but then you've got other

949
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,320
people that I believe are genuine

950
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,720
abductees but I also think they might

951
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:05,099
have gone off the rails at some point

952
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:06,660
you know started believing that they're

953
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,180
Jesus so you know things like that so

954
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,180
it's it's a really hard subject to

955
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,980
actually

956
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,720
just

957
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,480
I don't know it's hard to get people to

958
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,760
take serious because it's so it's so

959
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:22,800
wacky in Parts you know what I mean so

960
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,800
it's like because I really like you know

961
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,480
like you know

962
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:30,000
um I I like the science you know I like

963
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:31,859
the um

964
00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:34,500
you know I I like things to be concrete

965
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:37,079
and the thing is for me I feel so much

966
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,300
shame around this subject my kids don't

967
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,339
even know that I've been through any of

968
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:43,619
this I've kept it and closely guarded

969
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,940
secret uh my wife actually she would

970
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:49,920
like to talk about it sometimes but when

971
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,260
she does I just go now no no because

972
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,599
it's I feel like I lose so much

973
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:56,760
credibility just talking about it you

974
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,619
know it's like it's like into your own

975
00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:00,960
spells don't make all yes yeah really

976
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,700
yeah even even then the thing is is what

977
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:07,079
when because we've been together since

978
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:08,220
the 90s

979
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:11,880
um when she was there for me when it all

980
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:13,859
started coming out she was

981
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,680
she wasn't there for the aggressions but

982
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:18,180
she knew they were happening and things

983
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:21,300
like that and then the last regression

984
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:23,700
that happened she walked in the room

985
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,700
uh because she finished work early uh

986
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,740
not the last one the the second one with

987
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:31,380
Eric uh and

988
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,619
she got to her some of the details and

989
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:36,300
it absolutely terrified her because

990
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:38,460
basically what she realized that she was

991
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:39,960
in the room when I was getting taken

992
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:42,540
away uh in fact in one of the

993
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:43,800
regressions

994
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,200
um I actually remembered trying to wake

995
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,720
her up and not have an advice that

996
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,660
literally a really strange experience

997
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,420
a grade entered my room and it because

998
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,700
every time I see them they won every

999
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:58,079
time but most of the times I see them

1000
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:02,640
they paralyze me and uh it's it's really

1001
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,900
I don't know oppressive experience but

1002
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,640
during this particular experience one

1003
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:10,500
end of the room messed with my paralysis

1004
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,839
so I could feel waves of

1005
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,520
sort of like

1006
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:16,800
the grip of it if you know what I mean I

1007
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:18,359
could hear sounds that would like change

1008
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,099
in tone you know a bit like the old

1009
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,140
hearing test you know when the the do

1010
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:24,540
the tone test it's similar to that but

1011
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:26,820
not quite and I could see strawberry

1012
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,440
lights and it would like change in

1013
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:30,960
frequencies and things like that the

1014
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:34,200
thing did all this and then just left

1015
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:36,359
so as it left

1016
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,339
uh I sat up

1017
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,000
and summer misses and I thought I need

1018
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,680
to wake up so I tried to say in a name

1019
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:46,079
nothing came out so I had full control

1020
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:49,320
of my body but no voice and

1021
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,040
um

1022
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,500
so I just started trying to ah you know

1023
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:54,180
made that kind of noise

1024
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:55,980
nothing's coming out and then suddenly

1025
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:59,400
like switch noise start coming out and

1026
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,839
then she wakes up she's like what's up

1027
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:02,820
and I'm like ah nothing I just had a

1028
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:05,579
nightmare and she heard this during the

1029
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:07,260
regression because what I actually

1030
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:09,300
remembered uh at the time was I

1031
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,859
remembered my cat coming into the room

1032
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:12,839
me being completely paralyzed and then

1033
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:15,180
the cat leaving uh but then when I sat

1034
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,420
up the cat was sat on my legs so he

1035
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,460
didn't leave it was it was there all the

1036
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,859
way but it it did which is weird because

1037
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,720
I've heard that animals are sensitive to

1038
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,339
these kinds of things but it was

1039
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:28,800
completely oblivious about that

1040
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,260
um but yeah she heard all this and then

1041
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,380
she was terrified at the time so then I

1042
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:36,720
learned to sort of keep it to myself and

1043
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:38,820
that became a habit where I don't want

1044
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:40,140
to talk about it if you know what I mean

1045
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:41,820
because it's it's just a case I didn't

1046
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,380
want to scare her I didn't want to drag

1047
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:45,599
her into it but I also at that time I

1048
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:47,640
really wanted to explore a bit more

1049
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,800
so I just thought Skeptics from her and

1050
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:51,359
now when she asked me about it I'm like

1051
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:53,579
no no you are right because it's it I

1052
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:56,820
think over the span of 30 years it's

1053
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:58,619
just become so much easier just not

1054
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:00,300
talking about just keeping it to myself

1055
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:04,680
right yeah and I wanted to ask is do you

1056
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:07,380
have a theory on why you and why it was

1057
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:10,320
repeated or you know like what but I

1058
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:11,400
want to get into your second book as

1059
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,780
well because I find that that's very

1060
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:15,119
fast yeah before we get into that just

1061
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:16,260
because I know people are going to want

1062
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,220
to know

1063
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,800
what uh yeah

1064
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,380
so what was that again the question uh

1065
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:25,760
why me sorry yeah um

1066
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:27,900
generational anybody else in your family

1067
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,820
I think it is generational but I think

1068
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,500
specifically I think it might be genetic

1069
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,260
because I did a DNA test uh because my

1070
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,480
missus is quite into her ancestry so she

1071
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,579
put one I think it's Christmas on my

1072
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,260
birthday I can't remember which got me a

1073
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:42,900
DNA test kit and it came back and it's

1074
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:44,760
the most bar you know when you get the

1075
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:46,440
map and it shows you where are you your

1076
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:48,200
families from and where you spread

1077
00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:56,750
yeah but also completely vanilla and

1078
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:00,300
Byron so but I think if you are

1079
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:04,740
harvesting genetic material a good base

1080
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:08,400
of data so you can say that you know

1081
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,960
it's

1082
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,760
because if you've got

1083
00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:13,440
a Mongol animal

1084
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:15,780
you know and you take the DNA from it

1085
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,180
it's probably quite hard to figure out

1086
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,400
you know what goes where with you know

1087
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:22,200
with the ancestry and things like that I

1088
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,119
think with me in particular I think I am

1089
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:26,339
because I'm so boring I think literally

1090
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,579
I make a good donor genetically you know

1091
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:31,800
it's I think it's quite useful because

1092
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,819
it I don't know maybe I literally I've

1093
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:37,440
no idea but I do think that's got

1094
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,700
something to do with just because it was

1095
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:40,740
so surprising when I got that map and it

1096
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,319
was just a blob and it was the UK it

1097
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:46,079
literally right where I lived see I'm

1098
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:47,460
afraid to do that test because I'm

1099
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:48,900
afraid it's all going to point to the

1100
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:54,290
yeah no but good point though on being

1101
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,420
very kind of lacking mix if you look at

1102
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,940
like Rh negative blood type the

1103
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,680
predominant area for that is in the

1104
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,319
Basque region of Spain so why just a

1105
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:06,180
very small amount of people have a

1106
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,619
particular blood type that doesn't mix

1107
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,420
with anybody else's blood type anywhere

1108
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:11,700
else in the world it's very rare I mean

1109
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:13,260
there are people that have more rarer

1110
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,300
Bloods than others but to have such a

1111
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,760
high population all carrying and I mean

1112
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,380
even pregnant women have to get tested

1113
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:22,319
for Rh negative because essentially they

1114
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:23,940
could reject their own baby if it is of

1115
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,800
the other blood type right it's a real

1116
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:27,780
thing I remember my wife doing the test

1117
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:30,119
when we were pregnant like you know I

1118
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,980
should say when she was pregnant I was

1119
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,380
the emotional pregnant guy but yeah the

1120
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,480
Rh negative is a real thing and uh

1121
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:38,579
genetically there is a small portion of

1122
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,859
people that have that and they nobody

1123
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,440
can really explain why why that specific

1124
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,200
blood type is so much unlike all the

1125
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,760
rest right so there is maybe something

1126
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:50,640
to that small space having some

1127
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,680
significance other know if this has any

1128
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:54,300
significance but I'm at the opposite end

1129
00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:55,619
of that I've got this blood that

1130
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:57,180
everyone can have I don't know I can't

1131
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,980
know what it's called is it oh like a

1132
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,020
universal dollar okay yeah I'm one of

1133
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:02,880
them yeah I can't remember what it is

1134
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,260
but yeah I've got that so that might be

1135
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,880
useful as well you know for taking blood

1136
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:08,640
yeah yeah Michael I got two final

1137
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,260
questions about the abduction stuff and

1138
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:13,200
then we'll move on to the second book

1139
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:17,099
um so have you had any ill effects or

1140
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:19,260
any ailments

1141
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,000
um develop over the span of your life

1142
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:23,160
because you think it's related to these

1143
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:24,420
experiences

1144
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:25,619
uh

1145
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:29,339
I did I have the faintest of scars on my

1146
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,460
rib cage when you from the one that I

1147
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,079
got regressed you know the big surgical

1148
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,780
one okay and I did wake up one morning

1149
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:38,880
with a completely swollen earlobe and

1150
00:45:44,809 --> 00:45:42,540
blood on me pillow and then about a

1151
00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:44,819
decade after that I had a lump in my

1152
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,099
earlobe just it's just a tiny like a

1153
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:49,380
little ball bearing which

1154
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:52,500
uh Eric my regressionists they you know

1155
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,780
they hit UFO researchers like you have

1156
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:56,280
to get that taken out go to your doctor

1157
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,660
tell them you've got something in your

1158
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,400
ear you need to take it out and I was

1159
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:01,980
terrified and I never did and then it

1160
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,720
dissolved it just seemed to get smaller

1161
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,400
and smaller and smaller and it

1162
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,720
disappeared

1163
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:07,440
um

1164
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:09,060
other than that not really because I

1165
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:10,440
know um because I did have some

1166
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:12,180
interactions with King Carlsberg and I

1167
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,740
know she had a lot of nosebleeds and

1168
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,260
things like that of that nature which

1169
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:18,480
she associated with an implant in a

1170
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,240
nasal cavity but um

1171
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,640
yeah nothing nothing like that okay

1172
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,740
um yeah and then the uh the second

1173
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:27,900
question was because this might be

1174
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:30,060
something that follows your family line

1175
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,800
it could be that you know dates back

1176
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,420
quite a bit

1177
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,760
um most people come to grips with it or

1178
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,920
start talking about it in our generation

1179
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:40,260
it seems to be more prevalent we're like

1180
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,400
hey wait a minute something's wrong

1181
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,260
something's off

1182
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,180
um are you worried at all because I know

1183
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:47,220
you're not talking to your kids really

1184
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,140
about it but are you worried that this

1185
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:51,540
might pass on to them

1186
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,599
I did really did very much so especially

1187
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,980
when they were young

1188
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:57,960
um I think that's why my abduction

1189
00:47:02,809 --> 00:46:59,940
stopped because I think I was dealing

1190
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,819
with the experience very badly once I

1191
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:04,980
had kids because it's one thing to have

1192
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,660
an intruder in your house when you're

1193
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,599
just you and your girlfriend or wife or

1194
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,460
whatever but as soon as you put kids in

1195
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,859
the picture you I'm a feral I have an

1196
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:15,720
animal I just you know I can't you know

1197
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:19,560
what I mean it's um and I think I had

1198
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:23,040
some the I mean there's one where um

1199
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:24,780
they actually used my son's voice to get

1200
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,900
me to come to them which did not that

1201
00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:30,240
scared me because across the line right

1202
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:32,280
you really did yeah

1203
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:36,500
um because my son when he was about bar

1204
00:47:40,609 --> 00:47:39,060
he he started

1205
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:40,619
might have been younger than that it

1206
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:41,940
might have been two or three but

1207
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:42,900
basically

1208
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:46,260
when he graduated from a cart to a bed

1209
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:47,819
in fact I think it might have been when

1210
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,260
he got his own room

1211
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,200
um he started

1212
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,060
coming into her mind in my wife's room

1213
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:57,180
and just sneaking into bed with us and

1214
00:48:02,089 --> 00:47:59,220
at the time I was working crazy hours

1215
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:02,099
because I was working in a bakery so I

1216
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:02,819
just

1217
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,920
I was looking up Solutions online and

1218
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:06,660
things like that and basically what I

1219
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,720
came up with is if you reverse a Dar

1220
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:11,940
Vandal you know they

1221
00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:15,240
tourney you know the long handles if you

1222
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:17,339
swap them the front from the back

1223
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,079
is it you turn upside down I can't

1224
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,640
remember but basically what happens is

1225
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:22,319
you have to turn it up rather than down

1226
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:25,740
to open the door so I did that uh and it

1227
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:29,940
worked because uh it came to the bedroom

1228
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:32,220
you know rather the door handle and I

1229
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,400
just said uh you know I was like I got

1230
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,280
out of bed led into his own room and he

1231
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,839
had a good night's sleep thank God and I

1232
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:41,400
did too and from then on he never came

1233
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:45,540
he never did it again but then I forgot

1234
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:47,640
I just couldn't be bothered changing at

1235
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:49,380
Islander background so a couple of weeks

1236
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:50,940
after that

1237
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,540
um

1238
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,760
uh woke up in the middle of night and I

1239
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,440
could see bright light

1240
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,780
coming under the door uh I was

1241
00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:59,819
completely paralyzed I woke up paralyzed

1242
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,980
like it's just sleep paralysis because I

1243
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,960
do suffer both and they are fairly

1244
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,240
indistinguishable uh so I just thought

1245
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:07,680
it might be sleep paralysis but then I

1246
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:09,180
realized there's light coming underneath

1247
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:10,920
the bedroom dark and I could see Shadows

1248
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,319
moving around him but no oh no oh no

1249
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:15,900
they're here and

1250
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:18,780
you panic starts setting in and then the

1251
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:20,220
die handle weld

1252
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,400
and I'm like okay that's weird and then

1253
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,500
did I handle that old again

1254
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:28,800
and I'm thinking well what if it is what

1255
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,280
if it is my son you know and um

1256
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:34,079
I started thinking about you know I

1257
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,339
might take a little parent just lay

1258
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:37,440
there with me Sons at the top of the

1259
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:39,420
stairs potentially could fall down I

1260
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,619
didn't think this through because what

1261
00:49:43,309 --> 00:49:42,000
if I had sleep while this as well I was

1262
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,319
trying to open the door and start

1263
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:46,560
panicking that way then and um the light

1264
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:47,940
disappears

1265
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:49,800
and then I just heard

1266
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:54,180
that you know literally the exact same

1267
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,859
words I heard when he first came into

1268
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:57,540
the room so it's like they're literally

1269
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:00,900
plucked the exact audio recorded in my

1270
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,940
brain and played it back at me

1271
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,520
so then it's okay it's okay and I jumped

1272
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:07,440
out of bed open the door and then

1273
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:08,579
there's three Grays on the other side of

1274
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:09,660
the door and the last thing I remember

1275
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:11,339
is the front one just putting his hand

1276
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:12,420
in my face

1277
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:16,920
and black out and I was just I was

1278
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:20,339
Furious because the nut

1279
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,200
um not only were they in the house with

1280
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,780
my kids but the Jews my kids to sort of

1281
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,359
get to me and I was stunned that I

1282
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,240
couldn't figure out a door handle yeah

1283
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:31,680
why did they just float through the door

1284
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:35,339
yeah well no actually I do think there

1285
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,839
was a reason for that because

1286
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:40,319
at this time in uh this period of my

1287
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,680
abductions there was Finding weird ways

1288
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,359
to get to me like one of the ways he

1289
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,460
actually got me to sleep walk into my

1290
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:49,440
living room before they revealed

1291
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:51,000
themselves

1292
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:52,020
um

1293
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,079
but I did get the message that I had a

1294
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:56,880
huge conifer tree outside my bedroom

1295
00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:00,300
window and I I remembered the brown

1296
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:02,819
fella saying to me you really need to

1297
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,740
cut that tree down it would make things

1298
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:06,599
a lot easier if you cut that tree down

1299
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,780
and I think for whatever reason I do

1300
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:11,400
like the public can pass through

1301
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:14,040
organized organic matter but I think it

1302
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,660
might leave a trace and I think that's

1303
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:17,520
why they couldn't do it so though having

1304
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:20,040
to get me those having to go into my

1305
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,960
garden and come through my house to get

1306
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,720
to me so on the occasion after that they

1307
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,880
actually got me to go downstairs into my

1308
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:29,520
own living room open my curtains and

1309
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,900
they told me to look at a specific spot

1310
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,420
in my garden and I couldn't the nothing

1311
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:35,460
there I'm like there's nothing there and

1312
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,280
so no no look again it actually I say

1313
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:40,559
they said this to me at the time I

1314
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,180
thought my cat was talking to me which

1315
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,680
because I was in it I was in a

1316
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:45,900
semi-dream state at this bikes basically

1317
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,579
I remember waking up and having my cat

1318
00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:49,680
in my head saying to me go downstairs

1319
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:52,940
there's someone here to see you

1320
00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:56,160
I remember going downstairs in this

1321
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,220
Fugue State and my cat telling me open

1322
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:01,440
your curtains lock in this area of you

1323
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:02,760
know your garden

1324
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,619
and I'm like there's nothing there you

1325
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:06,839
you got me out of bed for nothing and no

1326
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:08,819
no look again and I looked again and

1327
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:10,740
they appeared it was it was like a

1328
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,160
special effect this it was like they

1329
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:16,319
color filled in it was like there was

1330
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:18,359
nothing there a minute ago but it was

1331
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,220
like there would always been there Pat

1332
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,960
my brain always knewed over there but

1333
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:23,880
they just sort of appeared like filled

1334
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:25,020
out like smoke

1335
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,000
and I remember snapping out of the

1336
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:29,220
paralysis snapping awake then snapping

1337
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:31,020
out of the paralysis and battling on my

1338
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:32,520
living room window

1339
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:35,760
I remember running to my dining room

1340
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:39,420
opening you know struggling to open the

1341
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:41,579
back door running out into the garden

1342
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:43,380
and then I don't remember anything after

1343
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,020
that but I did realize a couple days

1344
00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:48,960
afterwards my back oh I actually got

1345
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,300
into trouble because my wife was like

1346
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,640
why is he spat door been left open not

1347
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,640
only left open unlocked it was literally

1348
00:53:02,109 --> 00:52:59,040
open so literally that night whatever

1349
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:02,119
had happened I hadn't obviously

1350
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,380
reclosed or re-locked the door and it

1351
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:05,760
was just flapping in the wind and we

1352
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,980
hadn't noticed for days so I was in it

1353
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,480
at that point but

1354
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,720
it was it was just all around that time

1355
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:15,059
it was a case of

1356
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:16,440
because what the user do they come

1357
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:18,359
through my bedroom window so it was

1358
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:21,000
literally a wake-up Paradise there in

1359
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:23,160
and then I'm out and it's all down don't

1360
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,780
we but while I was living at this one

1361
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,099
house

1362
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,559
because of the layout they had to find

1363
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:30,420
weird ways to get to me and that's

1364
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,800
around about when my abductions actually

1365
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,300
stopped because I think I was

1366
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:35,040
misbehaving quite a lot I mean literally

1367
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:36,480
banging on my window screaming

1368
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:40,260
profanities too much work right yeah I

1369
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:41,640
think yeah yeah I was a bad customer

1370
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,599
yeah so do they always come in threes

1371
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:48,720
yes uh the the ones that come to get you

1372
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:51,660
of always in freeze okay always yeah for

1373
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,220
me I don't know if that's everyone but

1374
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:55,559
for me I always increase now let's uh

1375
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,720
get into the nuts and bolts aspect which

1376
00:54:02,690 --> 00:53:59,700
is my man's yeah I love the title of

1377
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,700
this book how to build a flying saucer

1378
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,280
so right off the bat I'm sure people

1379
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:07,440
have a field day I'm sure you've got

1380
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:09,780
comments like how do you know nobody

1381
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:12,660
knows UFOs aren't real there's a million

1382
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:15,000
and one skeptic questions that can come

1383
00:54:19,309 --> 00:54:16,680
but let's talk about what's in the book

1384
00:54:21,710 --> 00:54:19,319
I find it fascinating I I find it's

1385
00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:21,720
plausible if you are you know people

1386
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,260
that have encounters have reported ESP

1387
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,300
and sort of like telekinetic messaging

1388
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,700
so why not a big download of information

1389
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:32,400
of very high level scientific things

1390
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:34,740
that you maybe would not have known any

1391
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:36,540
other way so tell us a little bit about

1392
00:54:42,349 --> 00:54:38,819
the book uh what kind of info you got

1393
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,359
and what is what you wrote about yep uh

1394
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,640
sure uh to be honest I don't know when I

1395
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:46,440
got the information but I know it was

1396
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:47,160
there

1397
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:55,020
TV show called future fantastic

1398
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:58,440
uh it was because it was fight of the

1399
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,300
X-Files and it was hosted by obviously

1400
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,579
Jillian Anderson who else and literally

1401
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:05,339
she was basically outlying science

1402
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:08,520
fiction Concepts and the kind of work

1403
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:10,740
that was going on that would lead us to

1404
00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:12,540
those

1405
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:15,900
um Futures uh and basically the one that

1406
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:18,660
triggered all this was one on propulsion

1407
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,220
and

1408
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:22,260
there's a little segment of it where

1409
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:23,640
they talked about a guy called Thomas

1410
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,180
Townsend Brown who was a scientist in

1411
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:30,720
the 50s who was researching something

1412
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:33,960
called electrogravatics

1413
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,980
um

1414
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:37,440
I remember watching the show and those

1415
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:40,680
showing archive footage of his apparatus

1416
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:43,260
and how it would work and basically if

1417
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:44,700
you looked at it now he'd say oh it's

1418
00:55:48,849 --> 00:55:47,640
just a ionic lifter so basically it's

1419
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:48,859
generating

1420
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:52,020
it's ionizing the air

1421
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:56,240
and generating a polarity uh

1422
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,380
electromagnetic field so that the

1423
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:00,720
charged air particles have been

1424
00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:02,520
magnetically attracted and that's what's

1425
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,680
lifting the thing but the

1426
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,079
there was something about it that I

1427
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:09,839
recognized and I can't for the life of

1428
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:12,359
me figure out what it was it was it was

1429
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:14,220
just this weird switch in my brain and I

1430
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,480
just thought I know what that is and I

1431
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,040
know how it works

1432
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:19,200
and but

1433
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,720
and the thing is the the stuff in the

1434
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,000
video I think it was probably an ionic

1435
00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:26,460
lifter but the shape it had and the

1436
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:29,339
arrangement it had it

1437
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:32,940
there's another way to make

1438
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:35,220
something like that work using actual

1439
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,599
gravity

1440
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:38,819
and so I did a bit of research and it

1441
00:56:42,670 --> 00:56:40,260
turns out that

1442
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:42,680
uh the inspiration for his

1443
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:45,720
electrographic apparatus came from

1444
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:48,780
observations he made on an X-ray tube

1445
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:51,900
called a Cool Ridge tube

1446
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:54,540
and basically the way it works is it

1447
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,430
an anode and a diode the

1448
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,300
I can't remember which is which is

1449
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:05,280
embarrassing but one of them's tungsten

1450
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,240
and the I think it's the anode that's uh

1451
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:11,880
just a a piece of wire and basically

1452
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:13,380
what it does it creates a huge

1453
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,720
differential between the two charge

1454
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:18,000
points and

1455
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:20,280
what he was doing he was overcharging

1456
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:22,619
them and he observed that it moved

1457
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:26,460
towards the diode I think it was uh the

1458
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,500
positively charged side uh and it it if

1459
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:32,880
you if you put it on a pendulum

1460
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:35,460
basically it would move towards one way

1461
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:37,980
and he thought this might be an

1462
00:57:43,549 --> 00:57:41,720
indication of uh electric uh

1463
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,559
electromagnetism and gravity being

1464
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:45,540
linked interlinked so basically spent

1465
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,940
his whole scientific career trying to

1466
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:50,400
uncover this phenomenon

1467
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:53,099
and make use of it

1468
00:58:01,309 --> 00:57:57,059
um but what I realized is

1469
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:01,319
eat what he's actually doing is when you

1470
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,400
create a huge charge differential what

1471
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:07,680
you also generate is a lot of kinetic

1472
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:08,579
energy

1473
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:12,359
so in the positively charged side which

1474
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,800
doesn't actually

1475
00:58:17,569 --> 00:58:15,960
it's not the side that's holding the

1476
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,579
electrical charge it's the opposite side

1477
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:19,200
it's

1478
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:21,480
you generate a lot of motion a lot of

1479
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:22,500
movement

1480
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:26,099
and when like

1481
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,960
with um

1482
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,880
like E equals m c squared when you

1483
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:32,280
convert

1484
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,900
when you get close to the speed of light

1485
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:36,480
basically you you increase in Mass

1486
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,040
there's more than one way to move

1487
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:40,500
basically you you know you can move in a

1488
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:43,260
straight line as you know uh we

1489
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,819
understand you know if you if you move

1490
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:46,559
close to the speed of light time slows

1491
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,619
down and you increase in Mass so you get

1492
00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:51,180
heavier effectively

1493
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,420
but you can also move by oscillating by

1494
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:56,160
vibrating

1495
00:59:01,849 --> 00:59:00,000
um if you take any object with mass an

1496
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:01,859
oscillate it fast enough you generate

1497
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:03,660
the same effect you generate more mass

1498
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:06,420
but you do it in

1499
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,599
I it's a tiny amount

1500
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:12,720
but it's it's constantly changing so

1501
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:13,799
what you're actually doing is you're

1502
00:59:19,569 --> 00:59:17,040
generating waves uh

1503
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:19,579
gravity waves just because you

1504
00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:22,140
effectively taken an object and

1505
00:59:26,210 --> 00:59:24,119
increasing its mass and decreasing it

1506
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:26,220
rapidly and what that does it generates

1507
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,819
a kind of wave if you

1508
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:32,160
I mean I could go into the complete

1509
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:33,420
breakdown which is what I seem to be

1510
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,900
doing here but basically if you take the

1511
00:59:41,809 --> 00:59:38,760
same model

1512
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,819
the same object that the apparatus that

1513
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:43,760
Thomas Townsend Brown had and make some

1514
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:47,520
minor tweaks you can basically get it so

1515
00:59:55,089 --> 00:59:51,299
you've got a gravity wave generator so

1516
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,099
you've got you you uh positively charged

1517
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,079
terminal a few apparatus and you've got

1518
01:00:01,490 --> 01:00:00,000
your negatively charged terminal and

1519
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:01,500
your positive charge terminal it's

1520
01:00:06,589 --> 01:00:04,260
generally generating a lot of kinetic

1521
01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:06,599
energy so in the form of vibration

1522
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,299
what's also happening is because you've

1523
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:10,799
your negative terminal

1524
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:14,160
uh the kinetic energy is actually moving

1525
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:16,740
towards and away from the negative

1526
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:18,299
terminal so it's actually moving in a

1527
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:21,059
straight line so we said it's it's

1528
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:23,400
it's generally

1529
01:00:27,530 --> 01:00:25,500
it's amplifying the effect

1530
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,540
and also if you use the right kinds of

1531
01:00:32,089 --> 01:00:30,000
materials you can get it all working in

1532
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,099
lockstep together so basically you're

1533
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,839
generating all this connect kinetic

1534
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,460
energy if you go to a high enough

1535
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:38,400
frequency you can generate gravity waves

1536
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:41,160
and if you shape the whole thing into a

1537
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:41,940
um

1538
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:44,280
Parabola like a bowl

1539
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,780
um

1540
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:48,000
you can get those waves to combine and

1541
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:50,339
focus on a single point in space when

1542
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,200
you do that you generate something you

1543
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:54,000
generate something that doesn't occur in

1544
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,220
nature naturally you generate a linear

1545
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:58,559
gravitational field and once you've done

1546
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:00,420
that basically your whole apparatus

1547
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,540
apparatus sorry is literally sat within

1548
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:05,280
its own gravitational field separate

1549
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:08,460
from any other field around it and

1550
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:11,460
depending on how it's orientated it'll

1551
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:13,799
either generate an area of space that's

1552
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,500
got that you can reverse the gravity on

1553
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,380
or if you have it orientated so the

1554
01:01:23,630 --> 01:01:21,359
point is pointing towards

1555
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:23,640
the Earth the whole thing becomes

1556
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,799
weightless itself the apparatus itself

1557
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,420
becomes weightless and anything within

1558
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:29,359
it is only

1559
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:32,040
feeling the effects of the general the

1560
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,619
gravitational field generated

1561
01:01:39,849 --> 01:01:36,480
so which should be really useful for a

1562
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:39,859
craft you you know it's very much like

1563
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:42,660
right essentially creating a bubble or

1564
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:44,520
something less affected by the normal

1565
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:46,859
physics we would expect but my question

1566
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:49,500
about all this is sorry I went off on a

1567
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:51,540
dungeon there no it's okay that's

1568
01:01:54,589 --> 01:01:52,980
totally fine it's a lot and again

1569
01:01:56,589 --> 01:01:54,599
reading the book would obviously make a

1570
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:56,599
lot more sense than we have yeah

1571
01:02:02,569 --> 01:02:00,660
yeah but um uh you know we chatted with

1572
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:02,579
Dr Gary Nolan a little while ago he's

1573
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,980
talking about metamaterials potentially

1574
01:02:09,049 --> 01:02:07,440
creating a wave guide so it's the

1575
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,059
material themselves or the propulsion

1576
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,280
system but my question to you is why is

1577
01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:13,520
this not more out in the open if it is

1578
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,780
simplified enough that we can discuss it

1579
01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:17,280
on a podcast why don't we see this

1580
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,500
everywhere well the thing is to actually

1581
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:22,319
do it you have to go from an engineering

1582
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:23,940
point of view if you was gonna build a

1583
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,880
capacitor wave a huge electrical charge

1584
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,160
you wouldn't make it out of a very thin

1585
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:31,200
material because obviously it would

1586
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,940
degrade faster and

1587
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,440
fail

1588
01:02:39,049 --> 01:02:37,200
but to make the most out of this effect

1589
01:02:40,609 --> 01:02:39,059
you want the maximum amount of surface

1590
01:02:42,049 --> 01:02:40,619
area

1591
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,059
um

1592
01:02:45,710 --> 01:02:44,220
uh you want it as thin as possible so

1593
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,720
basically it's really easy to control

1594
01:02:49,130 --> 01:02:48,480
all those oscillating atoms

1595
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,140
um

1596
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:51,839
and you'd want it spread over a large

1597
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:54,180
area and in science there's no reason to

1598
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:55,380
do that no one would ever do that

1599
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:57,660
because obviously it would fail uh

1600
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,400
speaking of the meta materials to

1601
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:01,440
perfectly arrange to actually work with

1602
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,640
this concept because basically what

1603
01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:04,980
you've got is you've got a very thin

1604
01:03:09,710 --> 01:03:06,200
um

1605
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:09,720
semiconductive material uh separated by

1606
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:14,099
a resistor so basically if you alternate

1607
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,900
positive negative positive negative

1608
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:18,000
positive negative in the wafer that

1609
01:03:24,589 --> 01:03:21,900
you've got uh and also the extremely

1610
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:24,599
thin layers you will get the maximum

1611
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:27,000
effect of this you know Atomic

1612
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,859
oscillation I think it's literally what

1613
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:30,480
the holes of these crafts are made out

1614
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,819
of I think it's why they glow I think

1615
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,559
it's why they ionize their air around

1616
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:36,900
them I think it's why the shape the way

1617
01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:37,799
they are

1618
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,020
um I also think it's why they behave the

1619
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:42,720
way they do why they define gravity

1620
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,280
um I also think it's why they come in

1621
01:03:48,190 --> 01:03:46,799
the I mean all the shapes are

1622
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:48,200
constructed of

1623
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:50,819
parabolic shapes like a Tic Tac a

1624
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:54,359
cylinder a sphere an egg a disc an egg

1625
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:58,020
yeah exactly uh also your triangles have

1626
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:01,920
three orbs three you know

1627
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:05,819
anabolic shapes on each corner and quite

1628
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:08,640
often one in the middle as well

1629
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:11,579
um also even the weird ways that behave

1630
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:14,819
like the the Farthing leaf pattern that

1631
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,160
some people have observed yeah works

1632
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:20,400
really well if you are just using a

1633
01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:25,020
single amplifier so basically

1634
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,460
you don't want to just turn it off

1635
01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:28,319
because if you do it's going to fall and

1636
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:30,660
also to build up the charge necessary to

1637
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:33,000
generate the effect I will it probably

1638
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:35,160
takes time because you sort of it's like

1639
01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:36,540
a tuning fork you're trying to get the

1640
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,760
right frequency for it to work

1641
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:41,520
so to descend if you don't want to come

1642
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:43,140
down really really really really slowly

1643
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,760
by just slightly lowering your

1644
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:46,440
gravitational field

1645
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,780
a good way to do it would be lower it

1646
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:50,640
but also move

1647
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:55,859
forwards so that uh you yeah

1648
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:57,960
gravitational fields offset

1649
01:05:06,730 --> 01:05:01,680
and angle downwards and then basically

1650
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:11,270
aerodynamics and just it's like a

1651
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:12,480
spinning top if you think about a

1652
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:14,040
spinning top that's slowing down on how

1653
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,960
you know is it Powers down it wobbles

1654
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:17,880
Yeah so basically what's happening is

1655
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:21,299
the disc itself is wobbling on its

1656
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,319
um

1657
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:24,839
Focus Point as it's

1658
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:27,480
powering down and so as it's descending

1659
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:30,180
it's flipping up it

1660
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:32,339
in in a sort of Falling Leaf kind of

1661
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:34,680
pattern because obviously yeah I always

1662
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:36,420
thought those were the new drivers you

1663
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:38,220
know like the people that just started

1664
01:05:41,569 --> 01:05:39,720
flying the crafts like if you haven't

1665
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,579
given a big mission you know the first

1666
01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:42,960
time that they're operating would be

1667
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:44,579
okay let's take it easy let's go park

1668
01:05:48,589 --> 01:05:46,980
over there by the trees I think I think

1669
01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:48,599
it's also the guys in the cheaper cars

1670
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,099
as well you know the ones exactly

1671
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,280
reversing cameras or whatever yeah yeah

1672
01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:55,680
I mean uh there's some households going

1673
01:06:02,870 --> 01:05:59,819
oh bubbles Ave as well um because a lot

1674
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:02,880
of what he says makes sense

1675
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,859
if you've been studying this technology

1676
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:06,839
but not quite understanding what you're

1677
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:09,780
seeing as well because because in his

1678
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,680
descriptions basically the wave guide of

1679
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:15,359
The Craft

1680
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:17,940
emits gravity waves which cancel out

1681
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:19,859
gravity so basically the waves are going

1682
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:22,140
up and that's canceling gravity coming

1683
01:06:29,329 --> 01:06:25,680
down but to me that's like

1684
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:29,339
a wave using a wave to try and reverse a

1685
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:31,220
flow of water it's not going to work

1686
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:34,859
what I think has happened with that

1687
01:06:38,809 --> 01:06:37,020
particular craft is basically you've had

1688
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:38,819
a lot of scientists looking at it

1689
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,400
coming up with various solutions to

1690
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:42,960
what's actually how it actually works

1691
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:45,780
and actually getting it wrong and I

1692
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:47,400
think the reason we don't have this

1693
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:48,780
technology with us today is because

1694
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,299
they've basically put it all down to

1695
01:06:56,809 --> 01:06:54,480
this mysterious Element 115 which

1696
01:06:59,329 --> 01:06:56,819
converts into antimatter which generates

1697
01:07:02,089 --> 01:06:59,339
weird gravity waves which they think

1698
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,099
emits from this aerial shape

1699
01:07:06,529 --> 01:07:04,079
uh but actually what's actually

1700
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:06,539
happening is all that antimatter in

1701
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:10,980
Element 115 is doing it's it has two

1702
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:13,380
purposes the element 115 is really good

1703
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:16,260
for focusing the the gravity amplifiers

1704
01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:18,119
in the base of the craft which I never

1705
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,700
actually wrote about but it is

1706
01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:23,280
basically what you do with that is you

1707
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:25,740
have a stack of amplifiers you have the

1708
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,480
element 115

1709
01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:29,520
actually at the focal point of the

1710
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:31,260
amplifiers and then you pull it and what

1711
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:34,619
that does is it sharply bends the

1712
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,400
gravitational field because it it's like

1713
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:40,079
sort of like a needle and thread just

1714
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,599
start pulling that focal point and what

1715
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,220
that actually does is it creates almost

1716
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:46,559
like a very narrow

1717
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:49,920
beam of gravity at the other end so

1718
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:52,559
that's why the element 115 exists

1719
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:55,140
it's not to generate the entire

1720
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,119
gravitational field

1721
01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:59,760
but what they've basically done they've

1722
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:01,319
seen these materials that cannot be

1723
01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:03,059
replicated on Earth and just going yeah

1724
01:08:05,630 --> 01:08:04,380
we can't really use this device because

1725
01:08:07,490 --> 01:08:05,640
if we do we're going to run out of the

1726
01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:07,500
materials and therefore I think they've

1727
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:09,780
shelved it but what they've not realized

1728
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:11,099
is actually the hull of The Craft

1729
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,260
because all that that anti-man is doing

1730
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:16,080
is just generating power so the

1731
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,060
converting 115 which is also used to

1732
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:20,400
focus the amplifiers they're using that

1733
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:21,960
to convert to antimatter and then

1734
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:22,920
they're using that to generate

1735
01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:26,100
electricity and that is being used to

1736
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:27,960
power the hull because

1737
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:29,940
I mean the fact that the thing glows

1738
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,000
like this and also is designed clearly

1739
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:35,520
designed to hold a massive electrical

1740
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,620
charge like the fact that there's no

1741
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:40,080
sharp Corners within the craft there's

1742
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:43,140
no other materials other than the this

1743
01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:46,380
the steel that it's made out of right uh

1744
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:48,540
it's there's no points where you're

1745
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:50,219
going to get electrical acts happening

1746
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:51,660
because it's holding this massive

1747
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:53,640
electrical field so basically if you are

1748
01:08:57,950 --> 01:08:55,080
in this craft

1749
01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:57,960
because your charge is the same as the

1750
01:09:01,809 --> 01:08:59,880
craft around you you're not getting

1751
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:01,819
shocked it's like

1752
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,259
exactly that unless he was touching the

1753
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:05,759
ground at the same time

1754
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:07,980
exactly that and basically what it's

1755
01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:09,960
doing is it's charging up the hull which

1756
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:12,839
is actually the engine which is why when

1757
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:15,900
the Roswell wreckage was recovered there

1758
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:18,779
was no signs of any engines or power

1759
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:20,100
plant or things like that because the

1760
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,420
power plant would have been really

1761
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:23,520
really small it by bubblazar's

1762
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:24,660
description it was just a basketball

1763
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:26,940
sized thing yeah and basically there's

1764
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,440
no engines because your engines are

1765
01:09:33,550 --> 01:09:30,000
actually a hull it's if you think about

1766
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:36,050
exactly that exactly that

1767
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:38,040
um so enough

1768
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:40,500
I I think there might be I think they

1769
01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:42,359
might have realized since then how this

1770
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,160
stuff works because these patterns that

1771
01:09:50,749 --> 01:09:47,520
came out where it clearly is that it is

1772
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,759
the whole it is the craft itself that

1773
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:52,319
generates the field because if you

1774
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,179
actually look at the really really vague

1775
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,880
and low resolution these patterns but

1776
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,080
they clearly know what they're talking

1777
01:10:02,330 --> 01:10:00,719
about but I think back in the 80s I

1778
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:02,340
think they had no idea I think this they

1779
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:03,600
were still thinking it's like you need

1780
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:06,060
dilithium crystals and antimatter to

1781
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,100
make the the what reactor work so

1782
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,080
therefore yeah we'll just put on a shelf

1783
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:12,420
until we can like open trade and maybe

1784
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:15,300
I'll make with particle accelerators the

1785
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,780
right isotope of element 115 to actually

1786
01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:20,400
make the whole thing work but because

1787
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:23,340
that's not happened you know but I do

1788
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,840
actually think now since then they have

1789
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,360
figured it out but at that time I think

1790
01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:29,520
Bob lizard was really there I think he

1791
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:32,460
he he's absolutely telling the chief but

1792
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,460
I also think it was bad science I was

1793
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:37,440
reporting her it was just well well

1794
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:38,940
limited science because I mean keep in

1795
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:41,640
mind he was it was 1989.

1796
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,780
um they didn't know what they were doing

1797
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,179
and you know when you read his book you

1798
01:10:51,229 --> 01:10:48,000
realize that they hired him he sought

1799
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,239
out a gentleman that got him the job at

1800
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:53,520
S4 he was like hey do you have a job for

1801
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,900
me he had no idea that this guy was

1802
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,880
going to put him in the middle of one of

1803
01:11:01,970 --> 01:10:59,760
the most groundbreaking event in human

1804
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,980
history and trying to reverse engineer

1805
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,840
these crafts

1806
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,400
um but they thought man this kid thinks

1807
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,679
outside the box he put a freaking rocket

1808
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:09,540
engine in the back of his uh was it a

1809
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:10,860
Honda or something like that like just

1810
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,560
crazy and like you know he was able to

1811
01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:16,080
think outside the box he's not he's

1812
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,699
never proclaimed that he was like the

1813
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:19,440
world's best scientist but he was he

1814
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:21,780
knows enough science like you know to

1815
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:23,640
put like a freaking particle accelerator

1816
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:25,500
in his garage if he wants to like he's

1817
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:27,060
he's that freaking smart like he'll

1818
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,620
build stuff for George Knapp we were

1819
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,480
talking to George Knapp and he's like

1820
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:32,460
George was complaining about some a fan

1821
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:34,199
or some sort of you know air conditioner

1822
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:36,060
I'll build you one and you just build

1823
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,620
him a unit and send it to him like the

1824
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,360
guy's freaking smart

1825
01:11:44,270 --> 01:11:41,760
um but limited limited information back

1826
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,280
in those days and yeah you know like I

1827
01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:46,080
said I don't think it's his fault I

1828
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:48,600
think he this is just it's the textbooks

1829
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:49,860
that he was reading that was wrong

1830
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,960
basically it's the science that's been

1831
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:54,000
done through the 50s to them where

1832
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:55,860
they've just they've got it wrong like

1833
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:57,300
thinking because I think what the

1834
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,100
waveguide actually is I think it's a

1835
01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:01,920
deionizer because basically if you want

1836
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,719
to de-power the craft

1837
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,719
you need to you can't really Earth it so

1838
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:08,640
what you need to do is fire off iron

1839
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,440
ionized gas

1840
01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:12,239
to lower the charge of the whole craft

1841
01:12:16,669 --> 01:12:14,699
so basically straight from the reactor

1842
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:16,679
you just shoot plasma out through that

1843
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,540
it's basically an exhaust

1844
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:20,400
and that basically depowers the craft

1845
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,960
and that's why that waveguide's there

1846
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:23,760
it's like a blow-off valve for the air

1847
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,500
exactly yeah it's like it's like the

1848
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:27,120
whistle on a steam train that's all it

1849
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,980
is but they've decided no that's the

1850
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:30,960
whole engine that's the thing that gives

1851
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:32,940
it anti-gravity and it's not oh if you

1852
01:12:37,130 --> 01:12:34,260
look at the whole shape of the thing

1853
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,140
it's obvious what it actually is

1854
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:40,560
um and the way the way it worked for me

1855
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:41,760
as well is

1856
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:45,840
is I sort of try to uncover it

1857
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:48,420
can I could feel what was right

1858
01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:50,460
information and what was incorrect

1859
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,679
so I'm not a scientist I don't have an

1860
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:55,080
education in this at all so basically

1861
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:57,300
what I've done is I've looked in I've

1862
01:13:03,229 --> 01:13:01,080
looked up basic electromagnetism books

1863
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:03,239
and things like that and I've I've just

1864
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,920
tried to just follow the trail of

1865
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,960
breadcrumbs and that book is the result

1866
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:08,159
of what I've come up with so it's

1867
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:11,159
probably riddled with mistakes but it's

1868
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,460
my best attempt with the information

1869
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,320
that I've got and I think basically

1870
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:17,820
what's happened is

1871
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:20,580
I've received this information while

1872
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:24,600
I've been abducted when I've not had the

1873
01:13:29,149 --> 01:13:27,179
mem the recarf no I don't have the

1874
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:29,159
memories of these events but I still

1875
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,659
have the information that I've retained

1876
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:32,880
that it's it's almost like a gut feeling

1877
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,500
it's like I know what's right and what's

1878
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:36,960
wrong so when I saw Thomas Town Townsend

1879
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:39,060
Brown's apparatus I looked at it and I

1880
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:41,219
went I know I know I know how that works

1881
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,540
I don't know how I know it and I don't

1882
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,880
know what I know at this stage but I

1883
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,159
know it's focusing something I know that

1884
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,960
that shape is really important and I

1885
01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:50,159
know it's focusing something I don't

1886
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:51,659
know what it's focusing and how it's

1887
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,239
working at this stage but over the years

1888
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:56,159
I was able to just

1889
01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:58,500
put the pieces together and that's what

1890
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,360
I've come up with and it's my best

1891
01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:02,159
attempt but it does really work really

1892
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,900
well with just sightings in general

1893
01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:05,699
actually even crop circles because if

1894
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:09,659
you've got a point 90 degrees from the

1895
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,840
outside surface of your craft where it's

1896
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,120
the whole craft is pivoting on this pint

1897
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:16,800
so all that gravitational force is

1898
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:19,140
focused at one point if you dip that

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01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:20,940
into a into a calm field it's going to

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01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:23,460
flatten the Starks not only that the

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01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:25,380
whole thing's ionized near around it so

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01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:27,480
this it's like they're in a microwave

1903
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:30,540
the the the the the water inside you

1904
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:33,300
know it's he's oscillating softening the

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01:14:36,649 --> 01:14:34,920
Stark so that when the bend the stay

1906
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,659
bent they're not breaking or anything

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01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:38,880
like that it's and it all works it's

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01:14:42,290 --> 01:14:41,100
just the whole thing

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01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:42,300
if

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you know next to

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01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,880
The observed you know

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01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:53,280
sightings and things like that it works

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01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:56,040
and I've not been able to find one yet

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01:15:01,550 --> 01:14:59,640
that breaks the whole fairy if you know

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01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,560
what I mean yeah like even Travis Watson

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01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:03,840
uh yeah Travis Walton said I fired

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01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,420
another name there for a second but now

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01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:09,000
I think what He Came Upon was a guy

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01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:10,920
trying to start his engine and his craft

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01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:12,600
I think that craft for whatever reason

1921
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:15,300
whether it was the atmospherics uh

1922
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,100
remember those it was too humid but I

1923
01:15:20,510 --> 01:15:18,960
think they'd lost a lot of charge in the

1924
01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:20,520
craft and they're trying to power up to

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01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:22,500
leave and he was too close to it yeah

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01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,020
exactly so he was hearing are these odd

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01:15:28,970 --> 01:15:26,880
noises he said he could hear clanging

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01:15:30,590 --> 01:15:28,980
noises and I think that was there was

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01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,600
literally trying to tune the

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01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:33,120
oscillations of The Craft itself to

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01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:36,300
generate enough kinetic Force Within the

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01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:37,679
actual skin of the craft to actually

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01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,780
generate the field that they need to

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01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:41,940
take off and he got too close because

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01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,380
obviously he's having a power up he's

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01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:45,360
having electrically charged the entire

1937
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:47,699
out skin of his craft and I think a lot

1938
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:49,260
of the humidity or whatever I think he

1939
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:51,719
was hit by a stray Arc of electricity

1940
01:15:55,790 --> 01:15:53,219
which

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01:15:57,530 --> 01:15:55,800
takes off the whole event he's got um

1942
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,540
you know his event is amazing because

1943
01:16:02,990 --> 01:16:00,239
it's the first one that I know of that

1944
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:03,000
his life has been or a life has been

1945
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:05,460
actually saved by these entities because

1946
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,380
he recalls it now as being more of a

1947
01:16:12,110 --> 01:16:09,600
rescue mission he got too close the

1948
01:16:14,270 --> 01:16:12,120
charge came in he got you know basically

1949
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:14,280
injured his friends left they weren't

1950
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:15,540
just going to leave him there so they

1951
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:16,860
helped him out because he said when he

1952
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:18,540
woke up and the painting behind me is

1953
01:16:21,229 --> 01:16:19,739
kind of like the Travis Walton

1954
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,239
experience like he woke up with a pain

1955
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:24,239
in his chest and uh he by the time his

1956
01:16:27,890 --> 01:16:25,980
eyes were able to focus he noticed three

1957
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:27,900
little entities around him

1958
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:29,699
um and you know they were trying to

1959
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:31,260
rescue his life like he said like the

1960
01:16:34,490 --> 01:16:32,940
whole time that he was on the craft and

1961
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,500
all the stuff was happening his chest

1962
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:37,020
was killing him because of the charge

1963
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,640
um so he's got a fascinating story I

1964
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:40,560
think your your stories is fascinating

1965
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,659
as well uh Michael I know that it's

1966
01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:44,880
difficult to come out and talk about

1967
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:46,380
this and

1968
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,659
um obviously now it's out and we got

1969
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:50,640
several thousands of listeners that that

1970
01:16:56,689 --> 01:16:54,420
will listen to this and I I deeply

1971
01:16:57,709 --> 01:16:56,699
encourage uh the listeners to to follow

1972
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,719
Michael

1973
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:00,000
um on his social media he's on Twitter

1974
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,420
Facebook Instagram as well and to

1975
01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:05,640
purchase the books I mean you're a

1976
01:17:09,649 --> 01:17:08,340
rational person you're you're sane uh

1977
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,659
when we talk to you you're not crazy

1978
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,760
you're not yeah well you know what these

1979
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:13,440
experiences are insane but you are the

1980
01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:16,440
same person just getting experiences

1981
01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:17,820
um Louie do you have any final questions

1982
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:19,560
for our guests today no I think it was

1983
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:22,020
uh again it's a difficult topic to

1984
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,020
breach because of the amazing claims

1985
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,880
right like having these experiences

1986
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:28,320
getting this information you're not the

1987
01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:29,699
only person to have had similar

1988
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,100
experiences so it's not like you're

1989
01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:34,080
going against the grain but it is a

1990
01:17:38,450 --> 01:17:36,659
rarity we don't hear it very often

1991
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:38,460
um you know again I have a bit of a

1992
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:40,620
science mind I liked your theory on why

1993
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:41,940
these things glow because they're

1994
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,620
ionizing the atmosphere around them

1995
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,840
makes a lot of sense I often wondered

1996
01:17:49,729 --> 01:17:47,760
like we wouldn't know a plane was flying

1997
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:49,739
by at night unless it was flashing so if

1998
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:51,719
they didn't want us to see them and in

1999
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:53,100
some cases it appears they don't want us

2000
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:54,659
to see them but yet they still light up

2001
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:56,280
and I just thought that's so stupid like

2002
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:58,260
it's either a light or a craft why would

2003
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,880
they not but it makes a lot of sense

2004
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:02,400
that it could be the craft itself or yes

2005
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,260
you know I'm a big Formula One racing

2006
01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:06,239
fan if you watch any of the nighttime

2007
01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:08,040
Races they have you see the rotors on

2008
01:18:13,070 --> 01:18:10,739
the cars glowing red the ceramic from

2009
01:18:15,169 --> 01:18:13,080
absorbing the heat so anytime you have

2010
01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:15,179
huge forces and huge energies going

2011
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:17,940
through materials it's not uncommon for

2012
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,760
them to Glow so that was new for me and

2013
01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:22,320
uh I consider myself pretty

2014
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:24,600
knowledgeable on on this type of science

2015
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,360
anyway so yeah again I commend you on

2016
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:29,760
your uh on your courage I'm sure you've

2017
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,020
had your fair share of critics people

2018
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,120
that say oh it's all [\h__\h] how can

2019
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:35,280
you prove it but it's like any abduction

2020
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:37,500
experience they're less likely to care

2021
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:38,820
what other people think because you know

2022
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:40,860
what you saw you know what happened and

2023
01:18:44,209 --> 01:18:42,600
I'd imagine it's probably similar with

2024
01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:44,219
you as well you like you said it's a gut

2025
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,380
feeling you just kind of know and it's

2026
01:18:49,209 --> 01:18:48,239
it's difficult to explain but you just

2027
01:18:52,669 --> 01:18:49,219
know

2028
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:52,679
so yes yeah so yeah again very

2029
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,060
fascinating we can always do a follow-up

2030
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:56,400
to this one day and if anything comes to

2031
01:19:00,110 --> 01:18:57,780
you and for if you're you know future

2032
01:19:02,090 --> 01:19:00,120
regressions or anything let's talk about

2033
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:02,100
it you know that's let's approach this

2034
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,500
from as many angles as we can Jason and

2035
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:06,719
I always do that you know our UFO people

2036
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:09,239
get mad when we talk Consciousness and

2037
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:10,920
the spiritual minded people get mad when

2038
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:13,080
we just talk about little Grays but we

2039
01:19:17,930 --> 01:19:14,820
need to look at this phenomenon from all

2040
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:17,940
the angles so so before we close out uh

2041
01:19:21,410 --> 01:19:19,560
where can people follow you do you have

2042
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,420
a particular website or any pages that

2043
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:23,040
you want to direct people to

2044
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:24,480
oof

2045
01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:25,260
um

2046
01:19:35,209 --> 01:19:32,810
I think my Twitter's mostly Michael oh

2047
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:35,219
it's just Michael Allen's at Mike I

2048
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:37,020
can't remember the same with my Facebook

2049
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,060
basically if you Google me and it's a

2050
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:42,000
picture of the brown alien that I was

2051
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:44,219
talking about earlier that's the right

2052
01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:47,340
one because I use that a drawing that I

2053
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:49,260
uh did to that guy for basically

2054
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:50,880
everything so if you find that guy

2055
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:54,000
that's me and yeah and you can find my

2056
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:56,760
books on uh Amazon uh I just want to say

2057
01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:58,500
as well I think uh Travis Walton I think

2058
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:00,360
he's probably the world's first

2059
01:20:05,229 --> 01:20:03,300
the case of Intergalactic hit and run

2060
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:05,239
because yeah

2061
01:20:09,229 --> 01:20:07,380
there's no insurance claims for that

2062
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:09,239
right yeah I know exactly yeah thank God

2063
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:10,380
they did something about in the

2064
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:13,800
responsible yeah so also um people can

2065
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,260
look you up on Amazon like you mentioned

2066
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,000
um the books are called alien

2067
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,920
Revelations and the other one's called

2068
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:21,840
how to build a flying saucer a

2069
01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:23,100
beginner's guide to gravity

2070
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:25,560
amplification uh you can also find

2071
01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:30,300
Michael on alienrevelations dot Co dot

2072
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:32,760
UK I'm not used to that I'm on the

2073
01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:34,199
Canadian side I'm sort of used to the

2074
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:36,120
doctor.com or CA

2075
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:38,760
um but definitely uh you know Michael uh

2076
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:40,739
be more vocal about this and you've done

2077
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,620
several interviews and and enter and um

2078
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:46,080
you know you've been on TV like I said I

2079
01:20:50,030 --> 01:20:48,360
wasn't too happy with some of the way

2080
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:50,040
that you were treated in the past and I

2081
01:20:53,570 --> 01:20:52,260
wanted to give you you know uh you know

2082
01:20:56,090 --> 01:20:53,580
the opportunity to come on and talk to

2083
01:20:58,189 --> 01:20:56,100
Louis and I about this on the serious

2084
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:58,199
level and and to address many things

2085
01:21:02,410 --> 01:21:00,179
that haven't been addressed before

2086
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:02,420
um like I said we're big

2087
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,980
and appreciative on the fact that you

2088
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:06,960
came on today and were able to talk with

2089
01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:09,900
us about all this and uh yeah this is

2090
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:11,640
it's it's good that people like

2091
01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:13,560
yourselves are what's helping disclosure

2092
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:15,620
come to fruition

2093
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,699
it's been really nice time looking at

2094
01:21:21,550 --> 01:21:19,199
someone that's actually read any of my

2095
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:21,560
books because you are there

2096
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:24,600
well you know what this uh this subject

2097
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,219
unfortunately not everybody research

2098
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,560
searches it um Louie and I have been at

2099
01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:30,960
it for a while now and uh it's

2100
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,100
interesting there's a lot of

2101
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:33,840
commonalities there's a lot of pieces to

2102
01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:34,920
the puzzles

2103
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,900
um and a lot of threads that people say

2104
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,120
that are similar things and it's it's

2105
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:41,280
building this bigger and bigger we're

2106
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:42,840
getting more and more of a of an idea

2107
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:44,580
but at the same time Michael I'm not

2108
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,620
lying to you we are thrown into the

2109
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,480
rabbit hole there's a bunch of theories

2110
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,679
out there that we have to explore

2111
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,380
because there's so many facets to this

2112
01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:54,719
phenomenon and it's not only the

2113
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,580
physicality of these crafts it's the

2114
01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:59,040
entities and the cerebral aspect like

2115
01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:01,800
you know the control over oneself the

2116
01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:04,140
paralysis the Consciousness aspectness

2117
01:22:10,189 --> 01:22:07,100
it it it's such a complex interwoven

2118
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:10,199
issue uh that it merits looking at

2119
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:12,420
everybody that has something to say on

2120
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:14,219
this issue and and you know like I said

2121
01:22:18,169 --> 01:22:15,780
you're logical you're rational your

2122
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:18,179
books make sense you're scientifically

2123
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:20,760
inclined which a lot more than I am like

2124
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,620
you understand science and Louie and

2125
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,480
yourself could get along fine on that

2126
01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:27,360
department uh Michael Allen's I thank

2127
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:28,620
you so much for coming on the podcast

2128
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:31,500
today and uh we'll have you again

2129
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:33,719
sometime thank you so much for having me

2130
01:22:41,790 --> 01:22:36,120
and anytime lovely thank you perfect